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about politics, but politics in the real sense of the word. >> let's listen to ronald reagan talk about this. >> weapons designed for war have no place in a movie theater. the majority of americans agree with us on this. and by the way, so did ronald reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the second amendment who wrote to congress in 1994, urging them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. >> that man has more in common with ronald reagan on policy than any republican in the house of representatives. ronald reagan raised the debt ceiling when necessary without complaint, and raised taxes more than once. and reagan was in favor of a ban on assault weapons just like president obama. >> right, and that comment was a way of saying that these are very centrist reforms, really common sense things that most americans agree with. he emphasized that in a few ways and a few times during that time. and i think the framing you're talking about,
candidates who could carry even massachusetts. think eisenhower, think ronald reagan. well, lately, the party has been running candidates who can't get much closer to the northeast than ohio. and not even that, the last two times. it's a whole part of the country, the northeast, with lots of people living in it that's become foreign territory. last night, i watched the u.s. house of representatives become hurricane aid. i now call the party of guns that were people. its instinct is to fight for guns. last night, it was aid for the northeast. does anyone out there think it would stop there? the move is to increasingly vote for guns, vote for war, vote against people. why? i cannot figure. to paraphrase an old saying, guns don't vote, people do. we've seen the horror of crazed killers with semi-automatic weapons. we still haven't caught sight of those darn helicopters. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >> this is our first task as a society. keeping our children safe. this is how we will be judged. >> the president lays it all on the line for new gun laws
in a movie theater. a majority of americans agree with us on this. and by the way, so did ronald reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the second amendment, who wrote in 199 urging them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacturer of military-style assault weapons. [applause] finally congress needs to help rather than hinder law enforcement as it does its job. we should get tougher on people who buy guns, with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. and we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in six years, they should confirm todd jones, who will be, who has been acting and i will be nominating for the post. [applause] and at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more comes back on the job, and back on our streets. now let me be absolutely clear. like most americans i believe the
resemblance to the party of ronald reagan that would have responded to powell's concerns with an all hands on deck effort to win the war back. it's big enough to win back the white house in 2016. and that's, to the point, we have a more and more bifurcated congress, not the congress you served in. there were 49 votes, only 49 votes for sandy relief last night. that says a lot. there were more than 49 votes for gulf damage and repair after katrina. >> colin powell is a moderate, but i'll tell you what, i understand why ronald reagan reached out to colin powell and saw him as a future leader of the republican party when he let him run the joint chiefs. we need moderate republicans like colin powell on our side. we've run him off. we've run a lot of other moderate republican voters off, and if you want to win 49 states again like ronald reagan won in 1984, if we want to win the landslides that george h.w. bush won, we're going to have to have a much bigger tent, and we can't be the party of todd aiken or richard murdoch or sharon ankle or christine o'donnell. republican extremism in the repub
at berkeley, very close to ronald reagan before and during the reagan presidency. reagan made him attorney general but ed meese was forced to resign that office in scandal, back in the era when the words republican and attorney general almost always equalled scandal. president nixon's attorney general having been the first and only attorney general who was convicted of a crime and had to serve time for it. while ed meese was attorney general he became one of the very few and very lucky guys who got to watch a lot of porn and get paid for it. in 1984, reagan pointed the attorney general to head the attorney general's commission on pornography, which meant that for two years, ed meese got to look at gay porn, straight porn, all the porn he could possibly get his hands on, which as attorney general was a lot of porn. and after drowning in porn for two years, and getting paid for it, ed meese issued an almost 2,000 page report that reached this conclusion. although the evidence may be slim, we nevertheless now know enough to conclude that pornography does represent a clear and present damage t
them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. >> oh, quoting their hero. the logic is so simple, even a child can understand it. and many children do. the president was accompanied today by young people who wrote him letters asking for changes after sandy hook. one little boy named grant wrote dear president obama. i think there should be some changes in the laws with guns. it's a free country, but i recommend there needs to be a limit with guns. please don't let people own machine guns or other powerful guns like that. i think there should be a good reason to get a gun. we should learn from what happened to the people at sandy hook. p.s., i know you're doing your best. maybe the children know more than we do, as a society. the president has an obligation to these children and he does not take it lightly. >> in the letter that julia wrote me, she says i know that laws have to be passed by congress. but i beg you to try very hard.
saw throughout the first term. very similar to what ronald reagan dealt with during his eight years. personally, the public really likes president obama. 74%. but his policies, again, more people disapprove of the policies. 49%, than approve of them there, at 47%. so what about the next four years? sort of a mixed optimism, if you will. i go back to the idea of pragmatic hope. 43% optimistic. 43% pessimistic. 22% kind of mixed. and staying with the theme of word clouds, david, we asked folks to send a message to president obama. what would they like to say for his second term? and as you can see here, look at the most popular phrases. a lot of them have to do with the economy. fix the economy. create jobs. then there's stop spending. and then of course probably the most important that he will talk about tomorrow, compromise, work together. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. >>> let me bring in the rest of our roundtable here. joe scarborough is here from msnbc's "morning joe." adviser to obama 2012, david axelrod. chief foreign correspondent richard engel is here, safe and sound in
model for him would be bill clinton's inaugural address, or ronald reagan's second inaugural. both of those were similar kinds of political environments. congress was in the hands of the other party. or one house was, at least. and each of them was very gracious towards the other party. reached out, said things about the goodwill of the other party. >> the difference there is reagan could look back and talk about how the republicans worked with democrats to fix social security, bill clinton could look back and talk about the deficit reduction plan. other things they had done a little bit together. it's harder for president obama to do that because there's been so much polarization. >> polarization has been on both sides. it would be a good step for the president, i actually don't expect him to take it. to try to put that behind, to have at least a rhetorical frame for being more enveloping. obviously in the last few days, last week or so, he hasn't taken that tact. he's, he had his press conference about a week ago. he's had some, they've floated some stories about how they're goin
in a movie theater. a majority of americans agree with us on this. and by the way, so did ronald reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the second amendment, who wrote to congress in 1994 urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. >> clearly reagan hated america. >> stephanie: right. see he also serves the reagan at him. my debt ceiling solution i liked, put the million dollars coin on it. you voted against the reagan coin. >> you voted for reagan. >> well, there you go again. >> stephanie: forty-five minutes after the hour. >> you might be the only person i know that voted for reagan. ermahgerd. forty-five minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: the only place in america where decent is still allowed. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? [ ryon ] eating shrimp at red lobster is a fantastic experience. 30 shrimp for $11.99. i can't imagine a
, so did ronald reagan, one of the staunchess defenders of the second amendment who wrote to congress in 1994 urging them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. [applause] >> finally, congress needs to help rather than hinder law enforcement as it does its job. we should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. and we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in six years, they should confirm todd jones who will be -- who has been acting and i will be nominating for the post. [applause] >> and at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force we should put more cops back on the job, and back on our streets. let me be absolutely clear. like most americans i believe the second amendment guarantees an individual a right to bear arms
health issue, because behind many of the shooters, from ronald reagan's would-be assassin all the way through what happened, the tragedy in connecticut 30 days ago has been someone with some mental illness and derangement. so i think we have to have, for instance, a very robust discussion. i anticipate, or i'm looking forward to seeing the task force suggests, a discussion for instance, rachel on whether the category of probative people who have been adjudicated as mentally ill, that's what the law says, essentially, they're prohibited, whether or not that should be broadened. for instance, should a person who has a diagnosis from a psychiatrist as being a paranoid schizophrenic be able to go into walmart tomorrow morning and buy a weapon? under the current law, without having been adjudicate as mentally ill in a court of law, under federal law, they would be able to do that. we have to have a serious discussion whether or not that category needs to be expanded. and what you're going to do is bring in a whole bunch of people who have very interested on that. you're going to have nra i
. ronald reagan. so what people do in the years running up to the nomination fight don't necessarily translate in exactly the way that you think. >> all right. mr. rove as always, thank you. directly ahead. privacy, liberals want it forrism legal aliens. those getting an abortion. they don't want it for gun owners. hypocrisy? right back with that report as the factor continues from south florida. we will see you in just a few moments. >> bill: in the impacts segment tonight as we reported a new gun law in new york state forbids the media from printing the names of gun owners if they object. as you may know the journal news of west chester county foolishly did that. some liberal americans supported their action. juan williams being one of them. how can you support the journal news if you are a liberal person. when you are on record as saying you don't want police checking the i.d.es of illegal alien drivers. you don't want people to show ids when they vote. and you tonight want minors to have to inform their parents when they have to have an abortion. joining us from new york irlena m
to congress in 1994 urging them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. [applause] finally, congress needs to help rather than hinder law enforcement as it does its job. we should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. and we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. since congress hasn't confirmed a director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms in six years, they should confirm todd jones who will be -- who has been acting and i will be nominating for the post. [applause] and at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more cops back on the job and back on our streets. let me be absolutely clear, like most americans i believe the second amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. i respect our strong tradition of gun ownership and the rights of hunters and sportsmen. there are mill
president in terms of raising it, the winner is ronald reagan at 17 times. that might shock people who like to see him as the paragon of responsible spending. >> we'll start with the deficit, shrinking more rapidly than at any time since the end of the korean war. in the end of december, we had a deficit for the month of $260 million, not $260 billion, $260 million. which in washington is almost the budget. that's the smallest monthly deficit in five years. some of that is artificial. people pulling transactions forward because they were afraid of higher tax rates in 2013. but for the first three months of 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking fiscal 2013, we have a rapidly shrinking deficit. so we are in a way chasing a vanishing problem. >> which is interesting, and that would allow for some things that are dirty and things that are not so dirty, would completely perhaps get rid of this problem after a while. do you think we're headed for a full stalemate? >> it's such a shame. i think david is right because we have low debt service right now. we're paying less interest on our debt than we ha
. >>> in 1981 ronald reagan took the oath of office in an economic turndown of course and called for an era of national renewal and he had this message for the role of government in american life and the country's new conservative tide. >> in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. [ applause ] >> wow. later on in the inaugural luncheon, president reagan announced after four days in captivity the 52 americans held hostage in iran were on their way home. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national. go like a pro. how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive... but when i started losing
's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> in 1981 ronald reagan took the oath of office in an economic turndown, of course, and called for an era of national renewal, and he had this message for the role of government in american life and the country's new conservative tide. >> in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. [ applause ] >> later in the inaug rat luncheon, president reagan announced after 444 days in captivity, the 52 americans held hostage in iran were on their way home. we'll be right back. [ ryon ] eating shrimp at red lobster is a fantastic experience. 30 shrimp for $11.99. i can't imagine anything better. you're getting a ton of shrimp, and it tastes really good! [ male announcer ] hurry in to red lobster's 30 shrimp for just $11.99! choose any two of five savory shrimp selections, like mango jalapeÑo shrimp and parmesan crunch shrimp. two delicious shrimp selections on one plate! all with salad and unlimited cheddar bay biscuits. 30 shrimp, just $11.99 for a limited time. wow, th
did ronald reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the second amendment who wrote to congress in 1994 urging them "- this is ronald reagan speaking -- urging them to listen to the american public and to the law- enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military-style assault weapons. [applause] finally, congress needs to help rather than endure what enforcement as it does its job. -- rather than hinder enforcement as it does its job. we should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. since congress has not confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms in six years, they should confirm todd jones who has been acting and i will be nominating for the post. [applause] at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more cops back on the job and back on our streets. let me be absolutely clear -- like most americans, i believe the second amendment guarant
was the republican nominee for president in 1980. ronald reagan. so what people do in the years running up to the nomination fight don't necessarily translate in exactly the way that you think. >> all right. mr. rove as always, thank you. directly ahead. privacy, liberals want it forrism legal aliens. those getting an abortion. they don't want it for gun owners. hypocrisy? right back with that report as the factor continues from south florida. we will see you in just a few moments. are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool only from progressive. it'but sleep train's huge foryeais ending soon.models for a short time, save hundreds on tempur-pedic mattresses. get the most highly-recommended bed in america at closeout prices. plus, get interest-free financing and f
later was the republican nominee for president in 1980, ronald reagan what. people do in the years running up to the nomination fight, don't necessarily translate in the way that you think. >> bill: all right, mr. rove, as always, thank you. directly head, privacy. liberals want it for illegal aliens, those getting an abortion but don't want it for gun owners. we'll be right back with that report as the factor continues from south florida. we'll see new just a moment. pard from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? testing hot tar... great sinesses deserve great rewards! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? here's your invoice. so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a collection of i
's going to be similar to the past inaugurations. last time as president ronald reagan's second inaugural. ceremonies will be inside the rotunda and that is a decision that the joint committee in consultation with the presidential inaugural committee would meet on sunday after and so that everyone has the time to adjust and make plans. >> the only thing i would add to that is our goal is to have this event go forward. that being said, we are not going to put anyone in harm's way. so the real driver on the decision making process will be public safety. as you all know that were here four years ago kohl doesn't seem to slow us down so we will deal with that as it comes up. we are saying each element of this outside of the swearing and are the traditions important to the president and the first family and the country to really show what our transition of democracy is all about, so again our hope is to be able to move forward with as many as possible regardless of what the weather is. >> yes, in the middle. >> y hushovd reversal from four years ago as far as more transparency on the reversal
with all of this republican opposition to assault weapons, he quoted president ronald reagan, right? calling for a ban on assault weapons. when he was in the white house. so they -- they may not forget but they think we're going to forget. i think you're right. we don't right? >> caller: we don't. i think more people need to respond back and point out the hypocrisy. i think you all do it but sometimes the mainstream people are so willing to accept whatever they say. >> bill: i know. they buy into this thing. again, you know, dana millbanks good friend of mine in "the washington post," he's critical of the president for exploiting the people. b.s.! of course, this is all about kids. the president said it. this is how we will be judged. these kids wrote to the president's perfectly appropriate to have them on stage. sandy, thank you so much. good to hear from you out in madison, wisconsin. rick, what's up? how are you? >> caller: i'm all for what president obama has done with signing the executive orders. he got things out on the table that congress hasn't been able to do in how many
with ronald reagan's 1981 inauguration. bill clinton and his first from 1993. dwight eisenhower after that, 1957. at 9:00 p.m. harry truman's 1949 inauguration. richard nixon from 1969. ronald reagan, also john f. kennedy after that from 1961, obviously. george h.w. bush in his 1989 inauguration. linden johnson follows that. jimmy carter from 1977. we finish up with george w. bush from 1991. all of that getting under way tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> we'll start sunday at 10:30 a.m. eastern with your calls and more and a look back at the president's 2009 inaugural dress. and then on monday the public inaugural ceremonies. our coverage starts at 7:00 a.m. the swearing-in is at noon. we'll cover that. the luncheon, the parade and more. and throughout the day of course you can continue to join us by phone, facebook and twitter. we're using the #inaug2013. while we wait for vice president joe biden we will go back to the issue of reducing gun violence in a round table discussion from this morning's "washington journal." host: this morning we've been talking with gun owners and getti
in a movie theater. a majority of americans agree with us on this and by the way, so did ronald reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the second amendment who wrote to congress in 1994, urging them, this is ronald reagan speaking, urging them to listen to the american public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of military style assault weapons. [ applause ] finally, congress needs to help rather than hinder law enforcement as it does its job. we should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals, and we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. since congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in six years, they should confirm todd jones, who has been acting and i will be nominating for the post. [ applause ] and at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more cops back on the job, and back on our streets. let me be absolutely clear, like most americans, i believe the
in spending cuts. >> what about their pay saint ronald reagan? it was double digits. so bottom line is -- >> bill: i think obama's right. saying no, no, no, no. this is not something. we do not debate as he said yesterday, several times, we don't debate whether or not we're going to pay our bills. we're not a deadbeat nation. >> bill, for the listeners who may not know this and i'm sure many people do but for those who may not know, when we raise the debt ceiling we're not authorizing future spending. >> bill: good point. >> we're just paying the bills we've already acquired. we've already passed authorization bills and appropriation bills and the president signed the bill. we spent the money. this is just saying we're going to pay. okay. so like why wouldn't we want to do that? right? and so it is really sort of a ridiculous thing. i'm going to tell you, the progressive caucus, we're not against cuts. we have cuts that we think we'll go for. like -- >> bill: you've already done a lot of cuts. >> we've done $1.7 trillion in cuts. what if we did close some of the loopholes for the fo
, for being surrounded by cronies and making up things the way he does. this is not ronald reagan or jimmy carter or it is not even george bush for god's sakes. >> stephanie: he's the most like nixon. obama is most like nixon because -- >> see pat on fox news is labeled as a -- >> he was slamming clinton in the '90s. >> stephanie: exactly like him. okay. all right. wow. sexy liberal hal sparks next. more hump days with hal as we continue on "the stephanie miller show." [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. hal sparks on his way in. bff jacki schechner as we have previously reported, we're in a triple with melissa fitzgerald. you sent me a cell phone picture yesterday -- >> it was awesome. >> stephanie: of someone in a gown with colored socks stuck under a dressing room door and i was like what? jacki, are you all right? what is this? it was actually melissa. you guys were trying on gowns for the inaugural. >> she locked herself out of a dressing room and didn't want to bother to get help. >> stephanie: wouldn't you pay anything for that picture of her crawling under the door. >> i sna
in a movie theater. the majority of americans agree. by the way so did ronald reagan. he was one of the ones who wrote to up congress and 1994 to urge them to listen to the american public and to the law-enforcement command is and support a ban on the manufacturing of assault rifles. >> finally, congress needs to help rather than hinder law enforcement from the one their jobs. wish to get tougher on people by the sun's just to sell them to criminal spread we should severely punish anyone who helps them to do this. congress has not come from the bureau of tobacco and alcohol and six shares this should come from todd jones who has been acting in i will be it nominated him for the post. s and a time when budget cuts are forcing companies to reduce their police force wish to put more cops back on the job and back on the streets. let me be absolutely clear like most americans are believed that the second and mimic guarantees you to bear arms. i do respect this and the rights of hunters. there are millions of law-abiding gun owners. they use this for hunting, sports, protection, and for collection
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see ourselves as if ronald reagan likes to see a city shining on the, let's befuddled most of all look at the place of gun violence of the second amendment? >> one of the most interesting things for me to see what the discussion is the idea that comes up over and over again about futility, efforts to regulate guns. one statistic is most people, almost everybody knows about guns in america is that we have 300 million people in 300 guns and that leaves lots of people to throw up their hands and think anything we do in the reagan victory site is futile. i'm actually not that pessimistic myself i hope this is one of the themes that comes up in the public discussion is to move forward for two reasons. one thing important to keep in mind if they are very concentrated and very sedentary. 10% of all people in the united states on about 80% of the guns. they're mostly middle-class, middle-age people in rural areas and hold onto their guns for a long time. on the other hand, most of the people engaging crying our teens and young adults in most criminal careers are short. one of things that means
as a kind of, as ronald reagan liked to say, a city shining on the hill, what befuddles you most of all as you look at this debate about the place of guns and violence and the second amendment in america? >> i think one of the, um, one of the most interesting things for me to see with the discussion the idea that comes up over and over again about the futility of efforts to regulate guns. i think i one statistic that almost everybody e knows about guns in america is that we have about 300 million people and about 300 million guns. and that leads lots of people to just throw up their hands and think anything we do on the regulatory side is futile. i'm actually not that pessimistic myself, and i hope this is one of the themes that comes up in the public discussions as we move forward after the president announces tomorrow for two reasons. one thing that's really important to keep in mind with guns in america is that they are a very concentrated and very sedentary. so about 10% of all the people in the united states own about 80% of the guns. they're mostly middle class, middle-aged people
inaugurations. you've served for three different presidents starting with ronald reagan and then 41 and then 43 as well. today, while we watch what's going on on the west face of the capitol, at the white house, whole bunch of people are reenergized because a lot of people get new offices, new assignments. plain how that works -- explain how that works behind the scene. >> it's sort of like new year's day. you're all excited and you make all kinds of promises that you're going to lose weight and exercise and it's very exciting. people get to move into offices. they shuffle around, get new phone numbers, new business cards. take an oath of office to help the president do his could be and protect and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic. so it's exciting. they're bringing their families in. it's an exciting time. it's also a time of cleaning out because there is some people that won't be staying. when they change hands, if you will, inside the white house, there are some people that will say, what comes next? i haven't made any plans. there will b
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